{"id":8092,"date":"2011-08-19T14:50:54","date_gmt":"2011-08-19T13:50:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.singleaspect.org.uk\/?p=8092"},"modified":"2025-11-23T09:48:45","modified_gmt":"2025-11-23T09:48:45","slug":"kidbrooke-village-phase-one","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/singleaspect.org.uk\/?p=8092","title":{"rendered":"Kidbrooke Village \u2013 Phase One"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This is an edited version of the original article since the &#8220;kitchen&#8221; is my main objection.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>The living room is the largest room in the flat, extending the full width of the structural bay, containing an L shaped row of kitchen units completely ruining the effect.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/img_4701.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8460\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" title=\"Img_4701_th\" src=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/img_4701_th.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Every time I look at this I think it stinks &#8211; it&#8217;s appalling &#8211; it&#8217;s not a kitchen<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhy no <a href=\"\/?p=12914\">separate kitchen<\/a>, surely it can\u2019t be the cost of the walls?\u201d I asked. \u201cHow much do two walls cost out of \u00a3300k?\u201d I continued.<\/p>\n<p>There was a pause.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe bedrooms and the rest of the apartment are spacious.\u00a0 The space for a kitchen has to come from somewhere\u201d \u2013 he replied.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/img_4702.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8467\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" title=\"Img_4702_th\" src=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/img_4702_th.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">LDS have ruined the living room. For want of a kitchen<\/p>\n<p>I paraphrase.\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t recording the exchange.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDo any of the flats on the entire development have a <a href=\"\/?p=11127\">separate kitchen<\/a>?\u201d I pressed on.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo\u201d was the succinct answer.<\/p>\n<p>So there you have it.\u00a0 Berkeley Homes are not providing <a href=\"\/?p=12914\">separate kitchens<\/a> in any of the flats on any of the phases of Kidbrooke Village.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A fellow blogger has written about <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20120514041601\/https:\/\/www.hdawards.org\/archive\/2010\/winning_schemes\/completed_winners\/claredale_street.php\">Claredale Street<\/a> and I have quoted part of his blog here:-<\/p>\n<p>\u201cShe said that only after you move in do you begin to notice the small niggles. She wasn\u2019t a big fan of the open plan layout with the kitchen and living area combined because of the noise and smells from the cooking.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Claredale Street article<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/img_4705.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8470\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" title=\"Img_4705_th\" src=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/img_4705_th.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Who stole my living room?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">I would advise you to fit the biggest extractor you can, recirculating fans are next to useless. Open plan kitchen\/living areas are all the rage now but, personally, I would never knock walls down to achieve one. My daughter lived in a brand new, upmarket open plan maisonette up to a couple of years ago.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">It had an externally vented extractor hood but the heat &amp; smell in the living area were close to unbearable in summer &amp; in winter you got severe condensation as well &amp; if you opened windows you freeze to death. The whole place also stank of your last meal for hours on end &amp; even next day; fashionable or not I\u2019d never have open plan in a million years.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.diynot.com\/diy\/threads\/what-ventilation-for-an-open-plan-kitchen-livingroom.283895\/\">https:\/\/www.diynot.com\/forums\/viewtopic.php?t=283895<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">You haven&#8217;t heard the punchline yet.\u00a0 The window fouls the tap (in photo above), so in order to accommodate the window opening the tap folds down into the sink.\u00a0 You couldn&#8217;t make it up.<\/p>\n<p>More photos on Flickr\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/singleaspect\/sets\/72157627547170996\/\">https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/singleaspect\/sets\/72157627547170996\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m against open plan kitchens when done properly.\u00a0 But this is no such thing.\u00a0 They might as well have put a toilet in the middle of the living room and called a guest facility.\u00a0 It is totally out of place.\u00a0 If the room were L shaped and the kitchen was in the stub with a breakfast bar across then ok, at least an effort would have been made towards <a href=\"\/?p=11127\">separate kitchen<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">In this case not only is the kitchen in the living room but there is no way without building walls to make it separate.\u00a0 The kitchen units have been dumped in the living room.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">This from the RIBA:-<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">8 sqm is the single bedroom you\u2019re missing. It\u2019s the space for a new arrival to the family, the space that means the kids have a room of their own or a spare room for a guest to stay over. It\u2019s the space that could take the kitchen out of the lounge and the sounds and smells that go with it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/singleaspect.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/caseforspace.pdf\">CaseforSpace.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Bathrooms<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">If they hadn&#8217;t put that large ensuite bathroom in it would have left about 8 sqm for a kitchen and the existing bathroom off the hall might have been used by both occupants of the flat, what&#8217;s wrong with that?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><em>I&#8217;ve had second thoughts about this. If you can afford a large flat and you want two bathrooms there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that in terms of facilities, the problem is in the way the space has been allocated in the flat to deny the occupants a separate kitchen. I cannot understand how anybody would want the kitchen in the living room, it just doesn&#8217;t add up.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">There is another problem though which is hierarchy. One couple has the en-suite and the others have to walk along the hall to use the bathroom which is also used by visitors. This introduces a degree of first and second class that didn&#8217;t exist when dwellings only had one bathroom.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">I&#8217;m obviously out of touch with modern living because I don&#8217;t care for the level of privilege implied unless it&#8217;s a parents \/ children thing. The parents have the en-suite and the kids the other bathroom? Or will it be two couples sharing the flat? Or one couple with a guest room?<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Excuse for a kitchen<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;\">It needs the existing units ripping out and the walls made good. Then a room divider built parallel with the North wall (the one with the small window in it) perhaps incorporating glass blocks. Full height floor to ceiling such that a galley kitchen is created gaining light from two sources, these being the balcony full height windows and the small window on the outside wall.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">This would diminish the room available for lounge seating but make possible the separation of cooking smells and noise from the remaining space which might then be used jointly used for dining \u00a0\/ living.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>UPDATE: 8\/9\/13\u00a0<\/strong>Two years on and I haven&#8217;t changed my mind. I couldn&#8217;t live there as it is. If however the plan I outlined above were to be implemented and a full height solid room divider was installed, with a door, such that a galley kitchen were to be created then it may perhaps become a home. I&#8217;m not holding my breath.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>UPDATE 7\/12\/13:<\/strong>\u00a0This one article (out of over 300) has caused me more sleepless nights than any other. It&#8217;s not really the bathroom issue here that bothers me, if you can afford them I guess you can have as many bathrooms as you like. It&#8217;s the lack of a kitchen that grates. I just don&#8217;t see how you can live comfortably with cooking smells and noise in the living room. It doesn&#8217;t add up. Perhaps you eat out most of the time and only use the the &#8220;kitchen&#8221; to make coffee?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>UPDATE 27\/2\/17:\u00a0<\/strong>I still wouldn&#8217;t buy one, four years on. If I had a spare \u00a3500,000 and wanted to live in London, despite the poor air quality, I &#8220;might&#8221; buy a flat in Alexandra Road because they are so well laid out and I like the sliding door to the kitchen. Braithwaite House on Bunhill Row also appeals owing to the scissor layout. But here? Kidbrooke, with that living room \/ kitchen? No.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is an edited version of the original article since the &#8220;kitchen&#8221; is my main objection. The living room is the largest room in the flat, extending the full width of the structural bay, containing an L shaped row of kitchen units completely ruining the effect. 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